[Andrew Mandelbaum]

I hear you on record Charlie Southerland. Speaking up in hope for vindication of Trump, and in doing so, making a clear appearance in the public sphere. I also here your ease and comfort with another human being being torn from her children for using a fake social security number to go to work, to work hard, and to receive a meager salary. A sixth degree felony made necessary by politicized laws. With that social, she likely received a W-2 and thus paid her taxes in withholding, likely more than she owed. Your president however likely paid nowhere near what he owed that same year. You allow a construct of the State to define a human being rather than have the courage to actually look at who she is, why people are here, and who actually benefits from their immigration. You are a willing subject of what is happening. I hear you.

[Andrew Mandelbaum]

Whether she read Eichmann correctly or not, Hannah Arendt's concept of the banality of evil still stands. It is the inability or unwillingness to think past the offered blinds that filled the cattle cars. And has never stopped since. Call your representatives, go to the town halls, build a movement to recall them for collusion if possible. Find any spark of a counter institution growing up in your town and join it, no matter its weak points. Get your hands filthy with the million hypocrisies and inconsistencies of our entire existence in this State. Please.

[Jim Moonan]

I'm in love...

https://www.facebook.com/Maher/video...4432004832297/

[Charlie Southerland]

Yeah, Brian, I know. There are websites and stories abounding about Warren. Most of the tribes don't believe her because she's unbelievable, and in fact, the whole wedding certificate thing is a pretty good cover since it can't be found( are we in birther territory yet) and the fact that while at Harvard, she never met a single time with the Native American group on campus, not a single time. Apparently, it must have been some deplorable tribe that was beneath her standing. Yeah, I know, Brian. I get it. You could argue about it all day if you wish. But here's the thing, She has accused a sitting US Senator of discrimination and racism without a shred of proof he had done or been either.

If you want to settle this whole thing, then I propose that I'll forget about Liawatha and her claims, if you guys admit that there was nothing wrong with Sessions becoming the US Attorney General. That as far as you're concerned, he's as clean as the driven snow. Deal? Otherwise, I don't mind doubling down on what I've read about her. There's lots and lots and lots. Since it is clear that Sessons isn't a racist or a bigot, and that he is supremely qualified for the job, you have far less material to work with. Ms. Warren's gonna run for president in four years and we'll take it up again at that time.

Andrew, stop digging the hole you're in. Let's take a vote here and now to see who would agree to let anyone steal their identity.

I vote no.


I bet she is with her children right now. They ( her children) can come and go across the border at will.

Now if we could figure out how to get Mexico to trade her back for all the gang members and drug dealers who live here. Let's talk about them for awhile, Andrew.

I didn't think so.

[John Whitworth]

Ah Nigel. 'Romancing'? You mean lying of course.

[Nigel Mace]

You are so far behind the pace here, John, I had some trouble in finding what you were referring to! However, now I've tracked it down - post 232 - let me reply.

No, John, I didn't mean "lying", as if you read what I was saying carefully, you will find that I was attempting a courteous and clear paraphrase of Charlie's accusations (vide "your drift would appear to be").
The meaning was his, not mine.

Now that I have wasted an hour or so of my life following up many of the tangled skeins of this supposedly politically 'significant' story, I have discovered that it amounts to diddly-squat. A utterly useless piece of innuendo piled on assertion, amounting to nothing of any significance, save that it illuminates a pretty amateur attempt at character assasination - which, even if proved, which it clealry is not - would not affect the real arguments about Sessions fitness, or not, for his new role.

What all this does do, for me as someone outside of the polity concerned, is to raise serious questions about the purposes of those public figures who chose not only to employ this tactic, but to couch it in often somewhat racially offensive language. Their behaviour, of course, on its own proves nothing - but it does not make me ready to trust their good intent.

[Julie Steiner]

[Never mind. The more time and energy we waste on small stuff like Warren's family tree, the less we have for the big stuff. I still think we're all on the same side for some of the big stuff.]

[Andrew Mandelbaum]

Charles. She was tried and paroled and did community service. I also hear you make light of being deported from owns home of 22 years. I hear you say that is an appropriate sentence for a non-repetitive minor felony almost a decade ago. I wish this sort of unfeeling justice in your life and lives of those like you. Certainly a biblical wish that.

Most undocumented human beings aren't moving drugs. They're picking the fruit you stuff in your mouth, filling the chicken plants and the drywall crews. Any comment about a drug trade is so blindly hypocritical it is hardly worth replying to. Who is buying all that product? Often its your white bread neighbors. Only for them it isn't a felony if they play their cards right. It's you know...the weekend. You don't even see the racist and misogynist undertones of many of your well thought out public post. Can't imagine your unguarded thoughts.

Again, I hear you on your belief that an empathic understanding of illegal acts, especially by brown people, to survive are beyond comprehension as a poet. Lets keep this up. You come clearer with each thread. For posterity's sake as they say. The internet makes Madame DeFarge look like an amateur.

Yeah she bought a false social number. Bad call. Community arbitration and restorative justice are more than capable of balancing out the hurt caused in such messes. The State of the last decades, not so much. The State we see rising here, only an idiot would entertain any trust in this one.

[Andrew Mandelbaum]

Originally Posted by Charlie Southerland

If you want to settle this whole thing, then I propose that I'll forget about Liawatha and her claims, if you guys admit that there was nothing wrong with Sessions becoming the US Attorney General. That as far as you're concerned, he's as clean as the driven snow. Deal? Otherwise, I don't mind doubling down on what I've read about her. There's lots and lots and lots. Since it is clear that Sessons isn't a racist or a bigot, and that he is supremely qualified for the job, you have far less material to work with. Ms. Warren's gonna run for president in four years and we'll take it up again at that time.

Lets see. You agree to stop embarrassing yourself by your daily confession of cartoon news source indoctrination regarding the sinister nature of a romanticized family claim to obscure indigenous connection if we agree to say Sessions stand against the voting rights act, legal immigration, path to citizenship, use of racist language to colleagues, and open support of the Trump campaign doesn't imply he is a racist.
As terrifying as your mastery of the facts seems to be (truly), I am gonna let keep appearing as you truly are.

Oh no! You are gonna keep talking like this! Dude, if the general population can't smell the blood in that swill your casking after a few more months of this, then nothing will much matter anyway.

I might or might not have an interest in Warren as president. You keep making the mistake of thinking we are only defending our team instead of just speaking up for distinctions between what's clearly sinister and what seems negligible in comparison. I understand how important the whole liberal/conservative binary is to you and how it has created a virus that allows ideological loyalty to imitate humane consideration but I don't host that bug anymore and I don't have a team in this State that survives beyond each moment. Onward, Christian Soldier.

[Andrew Mandelbaum]

A bit more on Sessions. I realize not everything said about the guy is in context. Regardless of possible exaggeration he is an open fanboy of Trump. To have watched this campaign and Trumps personal history as Sessions has and come out of that movie excited to be ready to defend his legal proclivities is damning all by itself. Even if some of the allegations are shaky from the past to bring forth a person tainted with racist allegations at this volatile point in nation is a symbol all in itself. It shows at best a tone dead stupidity that should make everyone watching take notice, at worst it is a dog whistle to the far right.