[Roger Slater]

Well put, Andrew. But a bit too kind, if you ask me, since he has called many of us cockroaches that need to be exterminated. Were this not a moderated board wherein I fear that reacting to such vile and filthy hate-speech would paradoxically earn me a reprimand, I would have many colorful suggestions about precisely where he could insert precisely what, along with friendly suggestions regarding precisely what meal he should partake of before perishing.

[Jim Moonan]

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[Charlie Southerland]

The simple truth, Jim, is that Andrew is correct. I don't have a rudimentary grasp of any of the political categories that Andrew espouses. He throws out words like racist, misogynist, low brow, Cracker and others because he is completely indoctrinated and a complete waste of time to speak with because he won't hear of it. He has put up post after post droning on the same things now for a couple of years. He says, disingenuously, that he doesn't agree with conservative thinkers on most issues but by his own words in this thread and others, doesn't agree with any conservative thought because he is close-minded to any idea that conservatism is liberating and that liberalism, Statism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism and the other collective ideologies are failures when they are forced upon the free populace, either by regulation or by gunpoint. There, of course, is a long history of those failures and the millions of bodies in mass graves are just a footnote to him and others who believe those isms. He and others glibly gloss over these facts as they keep espousing the same antithetical ideologies time after time after time. There is no learning or teaching them because they are incorrigible. Still, they chest thump and pontificate for their team, such as it is, (or was). They follow their pseudo-heroes into the same dark depths marching along like lemmings to their pied pipers without ever knowing or caring that they are walking off the cliff blissfully ignorant of their own destruction, fully clothed in self-righteousness. It is the only righteousness they can stomach or muster. Philosophy? I think not. I don't wish to grasp that kind of destruction, millstones around their necks as they drown in the darkened depths of the lost. Nope, I think not.


SO far, getting back to the Trump Watch part of this thread, Trump has been impressive in the things that he has done. It's true that a slight/close minority voted for him. But 240 million Americans don't agree with the democrat party, neither did that many vote for Clinton. Every vote counts and I can see why you would include children in your numbers. But it just ain't so. We remain a divided country. Been that way for a long time.

Bob, it is the ideology you embrace that I wish to see eradicated. I am for freedom of thought. But if your thought attempts to put me on my knees or results in chains on my wrists and feet, then I will fight for my freedom. I hope I never have to. We have checks and balances in place to cool Trumps heels. Let those levers work, and quit hating on Trump. We would have had much worse with the Clintons. Be thankful.

[Simon Hunt]

Charlie, you refreshingly admit your self-evident total ignorance, then go on to pontificate again about what you admit you don't know and don't understand. In doing so, you sound like a... well, less than persuasive and less than clever [on reflection and in response to advice, I redact a naughty word and an unflattering epithet...]. I'm sort of hoping the simile there saves me from being ad hominem. If not, apologies--but I'm still a little stung by your wishing for my extermination up-thread before your unpersuasive disavowal of same.

[John Whitworth]

It's the same here, Charlie, and, I gather, in Australia, the left in command of the levers of power. My children were indoctrinated with lefty ideas. I must just hope my grandchildren won't be. Though I'm not holding my breath. But in the USA and over here we, the people, can say, 'You lost. Get over it.@ But they won't and they can't.

I gather Tony Blair wants to work for Trump. Well, how about that. There's a man who follows the money though, God knows, he's got plenty. That you sell your soul doesn't mean you can't sell it again... and again...

[Andrew Frisardi]

For me one of the saddest things about the current administration is its attitude toward environmental and wildlife protection. What did the rusty patch bumble bee or the sage grouse or the polar bear ever do to deserve extinction caused by selfish human beings? As a friend once said about not killing the bugs in his garden: “They’re nicer than people.”

Pretty hard to argue with that these days.

Is care for the world a "leftist" stance, Charlie and John? Or could it be that left or right has nothing to do with it, but rather it's a matter of ethics and compassion?

[John Whitworth]

I'm always suspicious of somebody who talks about ethics, Andrew. They usually want to pick my pocket.

[Ann Drysdale]

Here's my pocket, Andrew. Help yourself, friend.

[Andrew Mandelbaum]

You are close there Charlie. Your post is almost thought-like. Its hard to be sure though. So much of it was lifted. Like trying to nail down the use of sign language in other primate species. I think what gives away the final divide though is again the use of terms and concepts that are so hopelessly misapplied that the reader looses hope that there is a mind behind the gestures that is actually translatable into anything coherent.

Anarchism, even lose and unfaithful as mine, is not easily related to Bolshevism, Stalin, or the fascism words you through up onto the wall where the adults can see them. Those millions of bodies your appropriating, many of them were anarchists and true leftists of various commitments. It is tiring that you are so intellectually lazy that you never take the time to even form a basic grasp of anything you ever talk about, even the bits you post about your own theologies are school boy pantomimes of the voices you ape, usually unsuccessfully. I guess it is consistent with your poetics, so that kind of cool.

We are animals in a biosphere, related and dependent on the swirl of species around us. Any body who thinks they are conservative as they hail a party that is actively holding the door open for the total destruction of the wilderness for the sake of a handful of Once-ler parasites is an idiot.

Every one of the ideas in this debate wants to conserve some things, liberate others. So those words have become almost meaningless. Human techniques have created State-sized problems and your party is only interested in eliminating the areas of the State actively (if ineptly) engaged in trying to solve those problems.The parts of the State that continue to make these enormous holes in the fabric of life, those parts your party (and the mainstream Democratic party) well...those parts are served like Gods.

[Jim Moonan]

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