Eratosphere Forums - Metrical Poetry, Free Verse, Fiction, Art, Critique, Discussions Able Muse - a review of poetry, prose and art

Forum Left Top

 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Prev Previous Post   Next Post Next
  #3  
Unread 08-16-2024, 11:00 PM
Glenn Wright Glenn Wright is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2024
Location: Anchorage, AK
Posts: 687
Default

Hi, Carl

Thanks for the suggestions (almost all of which I used) and encouragement.

Glenn

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl Copeland View Post
I think you probably need a colon at the end of L2 to introduce the indirect speech that follows. Done.

It may be another of my perverse misreadings, but I understood “or hide what will befall” to mean that a disaster would befall the city and the horse would somehow hide that. The Latin word “error” often means exactly what it does in English, but it comes from the verb, “erro/errare” which means “to wander/stray.” We see this in words like “errand” and “knight errant.” Thus is means “a straying from what is expected or planned/a trick.” I put “trick” in to make this clearer.

How about “hefty” in place of “enormous”? “Enormous” sounds almost like he’s hurling a log. I like “hefty,” but I decided to use /f/ alliteration in this line to imitate the “fffft” sound of a swift projectile flying toward its goal. (Ovid used this device in the Metamorphoses Book 1, 466-476 to imitate the sound of Cupid’s arrows fired at Daphne and Apollo.). Edit: On second thought, I decided I like “hefty,” which also has /f/ /t/ alliteration.

Even though the shaft stuck, “bringing forth a groan” gave me the impression that someone inside had been struck, and I wondered why that didn’t give the game away. The original, by specifying what groaned—“the empty, hollow places”—is clearer. Most translators explain the “gemitus” (which means “groan”) as the creaking of the struck timber. It seems just as likely to me that the Greeks, believing themselves to be under attack, would groan in dismay. Since the gods have decreed that the horse trick will work and Troy will fall, the Trojans hearing the groans would have no more effect on them than Laocoön’s or Cassandra’s predictions of disaster.

How about: “Had the gods’ adverse decree been overthrown.” Done

Is the horse ever referred to as “sacred”? Or are you assuming that if it could be polluted, it must be sacred? Would you consider another word like “secret”? I’m hanging “sacred” on the word “foedare,” which means “to pollute/desecrate.” Since the horse was consecrated to Minerva, it is a sacred object, so shedding blood on or in it would be sacrilege. I like the irony of Laocoön, a devout priest of Neptune, being so upset by the Greek treachery that he throws a lethal weapon at a consecrated object and—if the gods had not prevented him from being able to attack the Greeks—he would “cut their throats i’ the church” (to paraphrase Laertes in Hamlet). It may be that his throwing of the spear so offended Minerva that she later sends two sea serpents to kill Laocoön and his sons. (spoiler alert: this scene from the Aeneid will be my next translation.)

The last line would be metrically more pleasing to me as: “and you, Troy, Priam’s high fort, would now stand fair.” Done.

“Fort” hardly does justice to the topless towers of Ilium, but what else will fit a one-syllable slot other than “town”?
. The Latin word “arx” means “acropolis/citadel/fortress/castle” and could, by metonymy, mean “capital” or even “empire.” Most translators fudge it as “tower(s).” I’m trying to stay as close as I can to the literal meaning. Notice that this word also appears in line 2. “Ab arce” means “from the upper, more easily defended acropolis where temples, palaces, and government buildings are located.” Vergil was thinking of Rome’s Capitoline Hill.

Last edited by Glenn Wright; 08-16-2024 at 11:54 PM.
Reply With Quote
 

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



Forum Right Top
Forum Left Bottom Forum Right Bottom
 
Right Left
Member Login
Forgot password?
Forum LeftForum Right


Forum Statistics:
Forum Members: 8,501
Total Threads: 22,596
Total Posts: 278,771
There are 1491 users
currently browsing forums.
Forum LeftForum Right


Forum Sponsor:
Donate & Support Able Muse / Eratosphere
Forum LeftForum Right
Right Right
Right Bottom Left Right Bottom Right

Hosted by ApplauZ Online