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Unread 09-03-2008, 12:54 PM
Terese Coe Terese Coe is offline
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Sometimes I think the entire nomination was engineered in order for the Rep. Party to be able to hammer the country relentlessly with lines like

"She's more experienced than Barack."

"She's better prepared than Barack."

and so on.


Be prepared to hear this sort of thing ad infinitum.
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Unread 09-03-2008, 07:23 PM
Mike Slippkauskas Mike Slippkauskas is offline
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Sam Gwynn said on the HRC speech thread, "Antimetabole, get's em every time."

And this is forthcoming from Gov Sarah Palin, "Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election. In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers. And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change."

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Unread 09-04-2008, 03:22 AM
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My first thought on seeing that photo was "Damn, she looks good for a 44-year-old mother of five." The other was "Who wears a hairstyle like that to the pool?"

Of course, it's her head pasted on a much younger woman's body. And a bit out-of-scale for it too.

There's more than enough embarrassing stuff in her past history and statements without having to invent silly stuff.

As for her teenage daughter being pregnant, about the only conclusion I can draw from this is that neither she nor her husband did a particularly good job of birth-control awareness. Not that they'd be the first.
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Unread 09-05-2008, 01:57 PM
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I got this email this morning. What's really amazing is that Palin, in 1996, tried to ban Rowling's Harry Potter books a full year before the first of them was published! Wonder why she didn't go ahead and order a preemptive strike on Obama's books.


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Robert J. Matter" <rjmatter@prodigy.net>
> Date: September 5, 2008 8:03:40 AM PDT
> To: <All_Nonfiction@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [All_Nonfiction] OT: Sarah Palin's Banned Book List
> Reply-To: All_Nonfiction@yahoogroups.com
>
> Here is a list of books that Sarah Palin tried to have banned from the
> Wasilla Public Library, according to the official minutes of the
> Library Board. When she was unsuccessful at having these books banned,
> she tried to have the librarian fired.
>
> As many of you will notice, it is a hit parade for book burners.
>
> A Clockwork Orange by Anthony Burgess
> A Wrinkle in Time by Madeleine L’Engle
> Annie on My Mind by Nancy Garden
> As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner
> Blubber by Judy Blume
> Brave New World by Aldous Huxley
> Bridge to Terabithia by Katherine Paterson
> Canterbury Tales by Geoffrey Chaucer
> Carrie by Stephen King
> Catch-22 by Joseph Heller
> Christine by Stephen King
> Confessions by Jean-Jacques Rousseau
> Cujo by Stephen King
> Curses, Hexes, and Spells by Daniel Cohen
> Daddy’s Roommate by Michael Willhoite
> Day No Pigs Would Die by Robert Peck
> Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller
> Decameron by Boccaccio
> East of Eden by John Steinbeck
> Fallen Angels by Walter Myers
> Fanny Hill (Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure) by John Cleland
> Flowers For Algernon by Daniel Keyes
> Forever by Judy Blume
> Grendel by John Champlin Gardner
> Halloween ABC by Eve Merriam
> Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone by J.K. Rowling
> Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets by J.K. Rowling
> Harry Potter and the Prizoner of Azkaban by J.K. Rowling
> Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire by J.K. Rowling
> Have to Go by Robert Munsch
> Heather Has Two Mommies by Leslea Newman
> How to Eat Fried Worms by Thomas Rockwell
> Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings by Maya Angelou
> Impressions edited by Jack Booth
> In the Night Kitchen by Maurice Sendak
> It’s Okay if You Don’t Love Me by Norma Klein
> James and the Giant Peach by Roald Dahl
> Lady Chatterley’s Lover by D.H. Lawrence
> Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman
> Little Red Riding Hood by Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm
> Lord of the Flies by William Golding
> Love is One of the Choices by Norma Klein
> Lysistrata by Aristophanes
> More Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> My Brother Sam Is Dead by James Lincoln Collier and Christopher
> Collier
> My House by Nikki Giovanni
> My Friend Flicka by Mary O’Hara
> Night Chills by Dean Koontz
> Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck
> On My Honor by Marion Dane Bauer
> One Day in The Life of Ivan Denisovich by Alexander Solzhenitsyn
> One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest by Ken Kesey
> One Hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez
> Ordinary People by Judith Guest
> Our Bodies, Ourselves by Boston Women’s Health Collective
> Prince of Tides by Pat Conroy
> Revolting Rhymes by Roald Dahl
> Scary Stories 3: More Tales to Chill Your Bones by Alvin Schwartz
> Scary Stories in the Dark by Alvin Schwartz
> Separate Peace by John Knowles
> Silas Marner by George Eliot
> Slaughterhouse-Five by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.
> Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs
> The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain
> The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain
> The Bastard by John Jakes
> The Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger
> The Chocolate War by Robert Cormier
> The Color Purple by Alice Walker
> The Devil’s Alternative by Frederick Forsyth
> The Figure in the Shadows by John Bellairs
> The Grapes of Wrath by John Steinbeck
> The Great Gilly Hopkins by Katherine Paterson
> The Handmaid’s Tale by Margaret Atwood
> The Headless Cupid by Zilpha Snyder
> The Learning Tree by Gordon Parks
> The Living Bible by William C. Bower
> The Merchant of Venice by William Shakespeare
> The New Teenage Body Book by Kathy McCoy and Charles Wibbelsman
> The Pigman by Paul Zindel
> The Seduction of Peter S. by Lawrence Sanders
> The Shining by Stephen King
> The Witches by Roald Dahl
> The Witches of Worm by Zilpha Snyder
> Then Again, Maybe I Won’t by Judy Blume
> To Kill A Mockingbird by Harper Lee
> Twelfth Night by William Shakespeare
> Webster’s Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary by the Merriam-Webster
> Editorial Staff
> Witches, Pumpkins, and Grinning Ghosts: The Story of the Halloween
> Symbols by Edna Barth
>
> ###
>
>
>
>
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Unread 09-05-2008, 02:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by R. S. Gwynn:
I got this email this morning. What's really amazing is that Palin, in 1996, tried to ban Rowling's Harry Potter books a full year before the first of them was published! Wonder why she didn't go ahead and order a preemptive strike on Obama's books.


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OMG!!! It's true!! She has the gift of foresight!!! mutter mutter antichrist circe mutter mutter

ROFLMAO

This is the first I've seen of the "list" of requested books. Everything I've read up until now simply said she asked the librarian what, if anything, she would have to do in order to have books removed. I was unaware there were any specific books mentioned in the conversation.

I'm still unaware.

Thanks for the email paste, tho. Once again I am reminded to stick to current issues and proven past performances and not get sidetracked and horrified by salacious (is that the right word?) fear-mongering on the left or the right.

I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that hte more intersting the rumor, the less likely it is to be true.

On both sides of the fence.



[This message has been edited by Laura Heidy-Halberstein (edited September 05, 2008).]
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Unread 09-05-2008, 02:19 PM
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Hi Sam,

Erm, well, no. The list you reproduce above, as keen-nosed bloggers quickly discovered, actually comes from the web page for Adler & Robin Books which you can verify HERE . (Presumably, A&R is in fact the source for the emailed version, since in the text preceding the list on adlerbooks.com, there is a call for "additions" from readers if they know of any. Needless to say, however, many such lists are in existence.)

As for your implicit point (or am I assuming too much?) . . . so an overzealous blogger starts sending out a list, trying to get something viral going. And? It's not like the other side doesn't do it all the time. And come to that . . . who's to say the whole thing isn't a Rovian black-op to start with? To discredit the liberal whiners complaining about censorship (etc., etc., ad nauseam)?

Anyway, the real list has in fact been tracked down, and you can read it HERE .

Hope that clears things up.

Steve C.
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Unread 09-05-2008, 02:29 PM
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Oh sure, I knew it was a bogus list as soon as I saw it. Found out the source quickly thereafter. Interestingly, my wife teaches at a Christian school, a fairly evangelical one to boot, and The Bridge to Trebithia is required reading for her 9th graders.
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Unread 09-05-2008, 02:32 PM
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p.s. Lo,

Your Super Long Link

up above from "posted September 03, 2008 05:33 AM" (right after the lions and lambs bit) is stretching the page. Please fix it with the "url" button. All the scrolling back and forth drives those of us with smaller screens nuts.

(But only because we want to read what you have to say!)

S.C.

p.s. (Editing back) Sam, we cross posted. Of course I knew you knew. Don't worry . . . we give you more credit round here than that. Really, I was just setting everyone up for the joke about the "true" list at catsandbeer. Enjoy.



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Unread 09-05-2008, 05:31 PM
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Very interesting read: http://www.crosscut.com/politics-government/17341
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Unread 09-05-2008, 06:21 PM
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Quote:
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p.s. Lo,

(But only because we want to read what you have to say!)


Uh huh - sure you do.

Anyhow - it wasn't stretching MY screen so I was unaware. Sorry 'bout that. I usually try to watch things like that. I don't know how to fix it, so I removed it.

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