[John Whitworth]

Oh Lord, Janice, what has the Old Testament to do with Christianity?

[Roger Slater]

Where do the Ten Commandments first appear? The Gospel of Matthew?

[Janice D. Soderling]

Revelations isn't NT, John dear. And who said anything about Christianity? Charlie was talking about god. Anyway, I think he is still part of the Trinity and folks expect to be judged by him when the rapture finally arrives.

Cross-posted with Roger who says the obvious and has a quicker mind than mine.

[Janice D. Soderling]

On a lighter note.

Stop Drinking the Kool-Aid, America: Political Fiction in an Age of Televised Lies

https://www.rutherford.org/publicati...televised_lies

[RCL]

Someone earlier questioned the comparison of Trump to Hitler, suggesting it was old hat at best. A source refreshing the comparison occurs in the July 25 New Yorker, “Trump’s Boswell Speaks,” focused on Tony Schwartz who wrote The Art of the Deal. The author, Jan Mayer, notes:

Trump’s first wife, Ivana, famously claimed that Trump kept a copy of Adolf Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order, in a cabinet beside his bed.


This within an extended revelation by Schwartz that in the several years he worked with Trump he never saw a book in any his homes or planes, suggesting Trump hadn’t read a book for many years. Oh, and he was convinced Trump is a psychopath.

[Don Jones]

Oh Lord, Janice, what has the Old Testament to do with Christianity

Christianity is supposed to transcend the religious Law of the Jewish people but nevertheless picks a few as needed to condemn this or that. The current debate being one such instance.

Jews have spent thousands of years studying and debating their own religious laws and they still do. It is a living tradition, not an ossified text of literalism. That would be a kind of idolatry. Owen Barfield, no liberal he and a devout Christian, actually came out and claimed that biblical literacy is a form of idolatry. <tongue in cheek>Frankly, it’s heresy. But being largely a live-and-let-live kind of guy I allow heretics their errors </tongue in cheek>.

[Charlie Southerland]

Yes, Ralph, and Hillary did her dissertation on Saul Alinsky, she loves Margaret Sanger and Chinese-style communism. Oh, and she was in charge of the "embassy" and its inhabitants in Ben Ghazi who ended up dead because of her negligence and then made up a wonderful story of a video to cover up what really happened solely to get Obama reelected. She enabled and covered up Bill's rapes and affairs with threats against those women and won't release the transcripts of the speeches she's made at Wall Street hot shots while decrying Wall Street bankers. And making a schload of money laughing all the way to the bank. Yeah, Trump is probably what you say he is, but she is so much worse than anyone who's ever run for the office. Democrats will certainly be happy for her to have their back.

Janice, I love it that you are studying the scriptures. Yea! Another convert who hasn't figured out how to study the Bible. But, you have to start somewhere.

And yes, John, The Book of Revelations is the last book in the New Testament. And for those newly converted here, ( Andrew and Janice) try John3:16 and Romans Chapter 8. All of Chapter eight. We live under grace, not law, and even though the law was given and grace never mentioned in the Old Testament, — Where sin did abound, grace did much more abound. Here endeth the lesson.


Yes, Don, where symbolism was meant, it was pretty obvious. Barfield was a good chap.

[Don Jones]

Symbolism...as well as many prohibitions.

Got pork?

[Andrew Mandelbaum]

Originally Posted by Charlie Southerland

And yes, John, The Book of Revelations is the last book in the New Testament. And for those newly converted here, ( Andrew and Janice) try John3:16 and Romans Chapter 8. All of Chapter eight. We live under grace, not law, and even though the law was given and grace never mentioned in the Old Testament, — Where sin did abound, grace did much more abound. Here endeth the lesson.


Yes, Don, where symbolism was meant, it was pretty obvious. Barfield was a good chap.

There is plenty about grace in prophets Charlie. Even if it is not spoon fed to you. I would be willing to be I have way more of your own "New" testament memorized than you do. I was immersed in it during a communal dialogue with Evangelicals for twenty years. My experience with people like you is that rarely know half of what's in their own book but what they lack in understanding they make up for in certainty.

Barfield's rich approach to myth and incarnation is to your particular brand of Cowboy Calvinism as a Moroccan Tangine is to Vomit.

[Charlie Southerland]

Thank God I'm a practicing Gentile, Don.

Andrew, you are probably right that you have more memorized than I.

I didn't say there wasn't grace in the OT Andrew. I said the word never occurred in it, a different thing. I said I liked Barfield, why the dig, man?