[Anne Bryant-Hamon]

Lo,

Perhaps you need to re-read my statement to Janice about sarcastic hyperbole.

I know it is hard for you to refrain from jumping in and knocking me over the head everytime you see an opportunity. I'm not sure why that is. I try to ignore it, like I did when you said that killing me would be justifiable homicide... remember - I just let that one slide, knowing you can't help yourself.

Janice, I did think you sounded condescending, as if you were implying that no one has been abused and or killed by the current administration. That, topped off by the spelling correction of Klien sounded snarky to me - but maybe it's just me. I can be overly sensetive to criticism, especially on this forum that has often been an unwelcoming place. Okay, Laura, your turn again to try to straighten the whole thing out.

Anne

[This message has been edited by Anne Bryant-Hamon (edited September 06, 2008).]

[Laura Heidy-Halberstein]

Originally posted by Anne Bryant-Hamon:
Lo,

Okay, Laura, your turn again to try to straighten the whole thing out.

Anne

There's nothing to straighten out. You claimed hyperbole for your first statement, not your second. I was not responding to your hyperbolic first post at all. I was responding to your post to Janice in which you stated Perhaps you are ignorant of the police state surrounding you. It sounds like it. Or maybe you like it, who knows?

I merely pointed out that this is not a police state and that if you thought it was perhaps you should spend some time in Tibet.

The ad-hom came in when you suggested that Janice might be A) ignorant of this blatant untruth you seem to accept as fact or B) aware of it and liked living in one.

You are aware that Janice doesn't even LIVE in The United States, aren't you? Perhaps you are ignorant of what state surrounds Janice. It sounds like it.

Becausee if you weren't you'd understand that Sweden is the least likely country to be considered a police state.

[Laura Heidy-Halberstein]

Originally posted by Anne Bryant-Hamon:
Lo,

I try to ignore it, like I did when you said that killing me would be justifiable homicide... remember - I just let that one slide, knowing you can't help yourself.

Anne

For anyone interested in the exact exchange that Anne has so grossly misrepresented -
http://www.ablemuse.com/erato/ubbhtm...ML/002922.html


posted June 27, 2008 07:30 AM

Originally posted by Anne Bryant-Hamon:

Good thing we can't brandish guns here on this forum, huh!
I'm sure I'd be dead by now.
Anne
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posted June 27, 2008 09:04 AM

Originally posted by Laura Heidy-Halberstein

ROFLMAO - Justifiable homicide, Anne, justifiable homicide.

(Teasing)

L
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posted June 27, 2008 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Anne Bryant-Hamon:

Glad I could be a source of laughter for you, Lo.

Anne
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[Anne Bryant-Hamon]

Yes, Laura, I am aware that Janice lives in Sweden, which is why I thought it strange that she would know how things actually are in America.

Well, no, we are not China, but in many ways we have become or are becoming a Police State. There were increments leading up to Hitler's putting people in ovens, just as there are incremental shades of light that lead to sunrise and sunset. It has to be done slowly to keep the people from getting the upper hand.

Here's a page with a lot of links about our emerging Police State I have not read all the links. There are only 24 hours in a day. My prediction is that McCain will win the election and will die in office and we will have Palin as our President for the next four years. I'd like to be wrong about that. I guess time will tell.

[Laura Heidy-Halberstein]

Originally posted by Anne Bryant-Hamon:
Well, no, we are not China, but in many ways we have become or are becoming a Police State. There were increments leading up to Hitler's putting people in ovens

Time for Godwin's Law, anyhoe?

[Anne Bryant-Hamon]

Originally posted by Laura Heidy-Halberstein:
Time for Godwin's Law, anyhoe?

Laura,

Invoking Godwin's Law seems to be growing in popularity these days -- not surprisingly. * Godwin's Law itself can be abused as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.* It is an especially handy tool used to close the doors of communication and reign in the free exchange of ideas. Why is it that you are always trying to silence people? Can't you read a discussion without trying to vanquish it?


*this portion of my response was directly lifted from wikipedia*


[This message has been edited by Anne Bryant-Hamon (edited September 06, 2008).]

[Dan Halberstein]

Oh shut up.

[Laura Heidy-Halberstein]

Originally posted by Anne Bryant-Hamon:
Laura,

Invoking Godwin's Law seems to be growing in popularity these days -- not surprisingly. * Godwin's Law itself can be abused as a distraction or diversion, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate.* It is an especially handy tool used to close the doors of communication and reign in the free exchange of ideas. Why is it that you are always trying to silence people? Can't you read a discussion without trying to vanquish it?

What part of your own statement *Can you not hear sarcastic hyperbole? * did you not mean?

Comparing today's America to Hitler's Germany IS hyperbole, and it remains that way unless you can make a good case proving otherwise - and by "good case" I mean facts, numbers, statistics, and specific instances.

*this portion of my response was directly lifted from one of Anne's posts which I was replying to*



[This message has been edited by Laura Heidy-Halberstein (edited September 06, 2008).]

[Laura Heidy-Halberstein]

Originally posted by Anne Bryant-Hamon:
Marion,

Are you aware of the arrests in Denver and the "free speech" zones that are far, far away from the meeting place?

I'm unsure what you're referring to here, Anne. The "Free Speech Zones" for both the Republican and The Democratic conventions were within two blocks of the actual convention.

And yeah, people were arrested. Just like they were in -'68 - remember that?

For the record: Denver had 141 arrests with no reportable injuries,and Minn had 818 with 1 reportedly treated injury - and that was to an 80 year old delegate that had been sprayed with an unknown substance by a demonstrator. Chicago, in 1968, on the other hand, had 668 arrests, an undetermined number of demonstrators sustained injuries, with hospitals reporting that they treated 111 demonstrators. The on-the-street medical teams from the Medical Committee for Human Rights estimated that their medics treated over 1,000 demonstrators at the scene. The police department reported that 192 officers were injured, with 49 officers seeking hospital treatment.

Again, the convention in Chicago took place 40 years ago - so violence for by and against demonstrators hardly seems like a new phenomena.

Nor is getting arrested.

People that go to demonstrations or counter-demonstrations expect to get arrested. Heck, in DC you even get to choose beforehand if you want to be one of the ones who gets arrested. They ask for volunteers.

Besides which, if I'd have been a cop at the RNC this year and immediately following a peaceful march by thousands of anti-war protestors a few splinter groups embarked on a violent rampage, smashing windows, slashing car tyres, throwing bottles and attacking Republican delegates attending the nearby Xcel Centre, I'd have busted 'em, too. And don't tell me that if you and your children had been innocent bystanders in the area that you would have continued to support their "peaceful" demonstration.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/...tml#cnnSTCText

Nowhere can I find even one instance of a peaceful protestor at eitehr 2008 convention being maced, beaten, manhandled or arrested - unlike the convention in 1968.

I disagee that we're getting worse - I think we're getting better.

http://www.everydayrepublican.com/20...tion-attacked/
http://www.geocities.com/athens/delp.../c68chron.html