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12-12-2014, 03:19 PM
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Yes, quite a few times over the decades. A bit of Americana that apparently is fading into the past.
The Wikipedia article Boston Brahmin here gives a version and attributes it to John Collins Bossidy here.
This was cross posted with Michael. The funny singer he mentions is, I think, Tom Lehrer, who is still alive. Lehrer might well have used the verse.
— Woody
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12-12-2014, 04:33 PM
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Yes. ten more characters?
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12-12-2014, 04:51 PM
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Like R.A., I knew I recognized the verse from some anthology or other, but I was surprised (when I threw my honor system out the window and went to my bookshelf) that of the 5 light verse anthologies I've got that don't focus exclusively on the British, the poem (nearly but not quite identical to the one at the top of the thread) is in 4 of them!
(I originally typed in more information about those books and the poem, but, not sure whether that would queer the results Mike's after, I'm removing all that.)
Last edited by Max Goodman; 12-12-2014 at 05:05 PM.
Reason: too much information?
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12-12-2014, 05:21 PM
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Thanks Max!
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12-12-2014, 05:47 PM
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I am not sure if I read/heard it before. If I did, it obviously fled my memory.
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12-12-2014, 06:00 PM
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Heard it in song on a folkie record, and mainly was impressed with the last two lines.
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12-12-2014, 09:11 PM
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Oh. The lecturer didn't say that Sargent was the author--just that the Sargents were one of the Boston Brahmin families (like the Cabots and Lowells).
I didn't see what Max posted above before he pulled it...but according to a 1927 Boston Post article, the poem's author insisted that the definitive version was the one Mike originally posted. Consider me gobsmacked.
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12-12-2014, 09:11 PM
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Yes, it runs through my head any time I hear "Boston".
But I remember it thus:
And here's to dear old Boston,
The home of the bean and the cod,
Where the Lowells speak only to Cabots,
And the Cabots speak only with God.
I may remember it wrong, but that's how I always say it to myself.
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12-12-2014, 09:37 PM
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Janice's version rings a bell with me. I imagine that popular tradition has altered the original to one form or other of "Here's to...", which is the customary introduction to a toast.
My Bartlett's, which quotes the same John Collins Bossidy original as does Wikipedia, has a footnote:
Patterned on the toast given at the twenty-fifth anniversary of the Harvard Class of 1880, by a Westerner:
Here's to old Massachusetts.
The home of the sacred cod
Where the Adamses vote for Douglas
And the Cabots walk with God.
I think Bossidy as modified by tradition is the best of the lot.
— Woody
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12-12-2014, 10:14 PM
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Robert Traill Spence Lowell IV (/ˈloʊəl/; March 1, 1917 – September 12, 1977) was an American poet. He was born into a Boston Brahmin family that could trace its origins back to the Mayflower.
from Wiki,
I remembered, vaguely, reading the poem in relation to Lowell and checked to make sure.
T. S. Eliot was born into the Eliot family, a Boston Brahmin family with roots in England and New England.
also from Wiki
I also had a recollection of this, those brahmins produced two very good poets.
ps apologies for looking this up, ' honor system' is not used here and it didn't register that this was a test.
Last edited by ross hamilton hill; 12-13-2014 at 04:20 PM.
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