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Unread 02-12-2009, 10:12 PM
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[quote=Janet Kenny;95399]Mark,
I'm passionately against bombs. Is that an ideology?
People who like bombs are passionately against me.
I don't want to hurt the pro-bombers.
I'm not sure they return the compliment.
Are they more fanatical than me?
Or just awful people?
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My spin on that, Janet:

Yes

They should be.

Good, that's how it should be.

If you're not sure they return the compliment, the toxic side of your ideology is showing up. You are dehumanizing them and stereotyping them, just as you do when you say they "like bombs." Most of the people you mean don't like bombs but simply think they are necessary and it would be an error to eliminate them. You are using rhetoric to belittle and dehumanize them.

No.

No. Their position does not make them awful people. It only makes them people with a different perspective from your own.

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Unread 02-12-2009, 11:03 PM
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Mark,


No. Their position does not make them awful people. It only makes them people with a different perspective from your own.

dwl
Ah! Nice people who don't mind using bombs on people. I'll struggle with it David.;-)
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Give everybody in the world who wants it a job. None of that, "What can you do for us", type of selfish bastard nonsense, but, let's find you a job so that at the end of the day you won't be bored and resentful, not only because you have to keep buying cheap tasteless food to pay the rent, the utilities and your liability car insurance (I once heard a friend of my father's ( before political correctness) say, "Thank God thay they now make these lazy bums without jobs buy auto liability insurance, because before that, I couldn't get a nickel off of the one that rear-ended me."), but also because with enough boredom you eventually lose the will to even hope things will get better, so that what any hope does exist, finds an outlet in hanging around with those in similar situations, which is almost never good for the safety of those that work. What most people have forgotten, if they were once poor, is that the poor pay higher utilities in proportion to the rich, with the dole that the government sends them in order to shut them up, much like the Romans did with bread and circuses. This is because the utilities draw more power from their old frige, heater, leaking gaspipes, waterpipes, etc... and, of course, the car insurance prohibits getting the old car repaired, so it burns more gas and oil than the rich man's. Sure, there will always be harmless people who won't work no matter what, and dangerous people who won't be satisfied with their lot, idiologically-minded or not, but most, I think, will accept a job even if it's not 8 hours a day in an air-conditioned office. After all, there is a very popuar tv series called, "The World's Most Dangerous Jobs" ("Dirtiest Jobs"?).
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