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Unread 09-05-2008, 04:00 PM
Robert J. Clawson Robert J. Clawson is offline
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[quote]Originally posted by Roy Hamilton:

The Silver Star is a big one. You should be very proud.



John Kerry won one, right?

My platoon leader had two Silvers and six Purple Hearts. My platoon sergeant had no medals. I asked the sergeant, how come? He told me that purple hearts were for careless soldiers. He wore several campaign ribbons, but no jewelry on them. He also used to march us three miles to crawl through a culvert rather than cross a road.

He won our hearts and minds.

Bob
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Unread 09-05-2008, 04:27 PM
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How the hell do you "accidentally" use copyrighted music? It's pretty clear what's in copyright and what isn't. Sony Bono--a Republican congressman, and for that matter, a well-known musician--literally wrote the current law. For Republicans to claim to not understand what is and isn't in copyright is blatant bullshit.

The sad fact is, they have enough power to run roughshod over the laws when it amuses them and they know it.

The other fact is that, with the exception of a few country and western singers who make their money off phony flag-waving, no musician wants a damn thing to do with the Republican party. Even aside from having different politics, no one wants their music to be associated with the failed policies of a failed administration.

And as the Iraq war has borne out, the Republican party is made of fail.
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Unread 09-05-2008, 04:28 PM
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In other news, absolutely great editorial by Jamie Lee Curtis here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jamie-..._b_123491.html
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Very interesting read: http://www.crosscut.com/politics-government/17341
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More reading.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/...,7915118.story
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Steinem wrote the best article I've seen on this issue yet. [Nemo's link]

Here's an excerpt:

Here's the good news: Women have become so politically powerful that even the anti-feminist right wing -- the folks with a headlock on the Republican Party -- are trying to appease the gender gap with a first-ever female vice president. We owe this to women -- and to many men too -- who have picketed, gone on hunger strikes or confronted violence at the polls so women can vote. We owe it to Shirley Chisholm, who first took the "white-male-only" sign off the White House, and to Hillary Rodham Clinton, who hung in there through ridicule and misogyny to win 18 million votes.

But here is even better news: It won't work. This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need. ...To vote in protest for McCain/Palin would be like saying, "Somebody stole my shoes, so I'll amputate my legs."


Oh, I don't think we have to worry about that "protest" [against Hillary losing the nomination] vote any longer! Moot point now.

Is it true Condi rejected the Veep nomination? No comment. It's another minefield.
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ROFLMAO
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...t-fly-on-ebay/

So much for the Ebay story.
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Oh, that's great! I was thinking today,...who bought that jet on Ebay? I did't not believe the story...they wouldn't be so fucking crazy as to tout it as they have if it weren't true.

Or would they?

~,:^)

edit in: Yes, the Steinem article is tremendous. Great byline for that editorial. Thanks Nemo.



[This message has been edited by Rick Mullin (edited September 05, 2008).]
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No answer to my question on the question of Heart's song: was it just used at the convention or was it published in some form? It was a sincere question, folks, not an attack on your opinions.

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Quote:
Originally posted by Jerry Glenn Hartwig:
Lo

So you're advising if they played the song during the convention they violated a copyright? Or did they do more than that?
I'm not "advising" anything - all I did was find an legal article regarding the unauthorized use of copyrighted music which is not in the public domain.

The article seems to suggest that permission should be sought before using a song or music which belongs to someone else. It also seems to suggest that if the original rights holder protests the unauthorized use that they can be entitled to financial remuneration.


Every so often a thread pops up here with someone complaining that they've found a poem which they had written has suddenly appeared on someone's blog or in some e-zine somewhere without their permission or knowledge. Generally they are angry about it - and rightfully so, if you ask me.
The only recourse is to ask the offending site to remove it - or to notify the owners of the site and get them to remove it if the actual website belongs to a bigger holder.

I believe when you take something which is not yours and use it for your own purposes it's called "theft." With material objects, that's illegal - and punishable. With other, less tangible matters it seems to be a grayer area.

So, we've established that most of us would be irritated if we found out one of our poems had been taken without our knowledge or consent but that our recourses are small. Removal is about all we can hope for. There's not much monetary value to a poem - it's not like stealing a bicycle which you can say cost X amount of dollars and therefore you are entitled to X amount of dollars to compensate you for your loss. Songs are probably much the same. But it belonged to you just like that bicycle was yours, and you're just as angry that it was stolen.

Now say that your poem was "borrowed" by an ezine like "The New Formalist" or some other magazine whose political/religious views or whose editor's views are utter anathema to you. You'd be even angrier, I'm sure. A minor irritation would become a major one. Not only has your poem been lifted, it's being used to promote a cause or a belief which is not only not yours but is in direct conflict with yours. Not only have they taken your poem without persmission, they're using it to sell their product. You have, unwittingly and unwillingly, become a spokesperson for an idea you abhor.

From The Heart Sister's response, I'm pretty comfortably assuming that's pretty much how they feel.

Do they have actual legal recourse? I don't know. I'm not a lawyer. It seems that if you request someone NOT use your product to promote their product and they refuse, then you SHOULD have legal recourse. A "borrower" can claim ignorance the first time but once they've been warned, I imagine that if they do not comply they can be held liable.

I guess we'll have to wait and see if the campaign uses the song again. They've not reused the Mellencamp or the Jackson Browne so I am assuming they are content to do wrong until called out on it and then move on.

It does seem a little strange, if not deliberate, that they would continue to "borrow" songs without asking the authors or musicians, though. Obviously they've been warned before. Which makes it appear just as obvious that they don't care.

To me, it's simple. If they don't mind taking something which belongs to someone else, even when they know full well it's wrong because they've been told it's wrong, and they continue to do the same thing to other people, then they surely aren't going to care about taking something which belongs to me, either.

My world is pretty basic. If you'll do it to a someone, knowing full well that it's going to be noticed and it's going to be objected to, you'll certainly not hesitate to do it to a no one.

Had they done it once in ignorance I'd be fine with it. It's an "opps" and "opps" are forgivable. To repeat it a third and fourth time on a national stage {with a total of 62 million people watching) is no longer an "opps" it's a "ha ha" and I really don't need a president who's laughing at what he can get away with.

Lo

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