https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DD_8SJKAjc
The interview is an hour and a half. There are other Rubin videos I can recommend, for sedate, relaxed, rational discussion about hot topics: especially those of free speech, Trump's presidency, and the New Left. The one with Dennis Prager (also a former liberal) is good, as are a couple with Milo (before his fall from grace, in full cock-of-the-walk form. He spouts a great deal of stupidity, but there are a
few good points in there as well, lost amid the arrogant,
flamboyant noise).
Bear in mind: Rubin is a liberal who has been disenchanted with the progressive left, which he calls the "regressive left" - a term he didn't invent but helped popularize. He's most definitely not an ideologue, and he's not waving any flags.
I think he's a model for people, like myself, who are instinctively left and liberal in their political thinking, who are a wee tad concerned about how things are going. On the right as well as the left.
I'm no fan of the far right either. Theocracies and/or militant states are obviously a great threat to humanity at large. Burning people in cages, sawing off heads, and stoning people: these are manifestly evil. I do
not think the New Left is evil, only that there is obviously a trend towards political practices - such as demonizing, ad-homs, and acts of destructive and harmful violence - that will inevitably, if taken to their logical conclusion, result in further behavior and conditions/environments I would call evil.
Quotable quote at 35:00 Horowitz: "Corruption is far better than communism". Rubin knows it's eminently quotable. That comment was in reference to the Clinton administration.
But you have to watch the whole thing to understand it all in context. By the way - for those who won't watch - Dave Rubin thinks very fondly of the Clinton administration, while Horowitz thinks exactly the opposite. And yet the two can converse peaceably and with good humor.
Time, patience, and a level head, instead of knee-jerk reactions and automatic outrage.
**Another great quote at 42:12: Horowitz: "I can't go to a university without bodyguards."