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Unread 06-26-2015, 08:35 PM
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It is a great day, and pays off a little of the karmic debt Justice Kennedy must've accumulated from Bush v. Gore, Hobby Lobby & Citizens United, among other cases. How ironic if the Supremes had not treated gays equally, after declaring corporations are people! Still, a great day. So much left to do.

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Unread 06-26-2015, 08:37 PM
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How ironic if the Supremes had not treated gays equally, after declaring corporations are people!
Ha ha, well said, Ed.
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I changed it, Michael, because I was tired of being the resident right-winger. But what I said was that America was very late in coming to this party. David Cameron was there before him, and Cameron had to be far braver than Obama to do it.

Was some judge rejected because he did what everyone has done, and smoked dope? I think that's shockingly puritanical and hypocritical?

I thought the stuff about Auden was funny and interesting. He was a splendid man, generous of spirit and brave. Poets should be proud of him
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Just to add my voice... As Janice, Ed and Michael said, there's still a huge amount to be done, but this week's Supreme Court decisions were truly momentous and amazing. And I'm glad to find myself among all you goodhearted, generous Sphereans who see the humanity in the court's actions.

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Even so, I wouldn't take my eye off them just yet. I have followed the Supreme Court for years, not as a scholar of the law but more as a trench soldier of the law who must deal with the shrapnel and mustard gas of their usual rulings; and though some are admirable in their way, I've seen them work a lot of evil as a group.

When a great thing like this happens, I think of it as something even the Supreme Court got right -- a tide of national history or sentiment so strong even they would not swim against it. As if King Canute, having set his throne on the shore, finally said to the tide, "Oh well, you might as well come ahead, then."

This victory belongs to everyone, but it is truly the child of those who fought almost alone against great odds and a seemingly immovable wall of hate and mockery. I bow to them. Ladies and gentlemen: very well done.

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Ed

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Unread 06-27-2015, 06:10 AM
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Ah – I understand, John. Thank you for explaining.

I agree – we are late to the party. But I’m so often angered or ashamed by the newspaper headlines about my country that it is quite nice to take pleasure in them, for a change. This is a victory of millions, as Ed says.

I share your esteem for Wystan, as a poet and a man.
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I'm obviously thrilled about the decisions as well...more about the gay marriage ruling than "Obamacare," but both were essential. I can understand some of the dissent for Obamacare, since it has an economic element that can spook those who are legitimately fiscally conservative, but I cannot understand how any can have continued dissent over gay marriage. Not even a little. Beyond the most tenuous of religious reasons, standing staunchly against that ruling is standing against the recognition that homosexual love exists and deserves to be legitimized. In other words, it's an archaic view that ultimately originates from a kind of implausible deniability.

I don't like to dip my toe in political discussions very often, but I have yet to hear anything resembling a cogent argument for why, as Ted Cruz says, the ruling makes for some of the "darkest 24 hours" in U.S. history. It's utter nonsense, as it affects pretty much nobody in a negative way, and huge numbers of people in a positive way.

Regardless, I'm pretty happy to be living in an America that allowed this to happen. Hope has been a scarce resource for the last fourteen years or so, but the last few days have served up a generous helping.
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I think that Ed Shackle's most recent post is admirable. Ed is not simply a concerned citizen - he works and battles with these laws and the Ted Cruz and Huckabee and Jindal and Walker mind set on a daily basis, and as he puts it - this is something even the Supreme Court got right. But there is so much they got wrong. It is imperative that we elect a Democratic President in 2016. This is an aging Court, and the choices made by the next President (on a host of other things in addition to the Court) will be critical.
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Unread 06-27-2015, 08:43 AM
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I love my country with a patriotic love that cannot be quenched by the whims of society's fickle nature. I've always been proud to be an American. I wouldn't know how to be anything else.

I am most proud to be a Christian though, through and through.

I am proud that men and women still have to place their hand on a Bible to swear to uphold the Constitution, regardless of whether I agree or disagree with their decisions.

I am supremely proud, once again, no, twice this week, that the Holy Scripture has been found to be as true and prophetic as it has always been.

Regarding ACA, Obamacare: Matthew Chapter 5, all of it, and Matthew Chapter 6, all of it.

On Gay marriage, 2nd Timothy, Chapter 3: 2 thru 6, will do it.

To my Christian friends and family: Fear not, God's plan never changes or wavers.
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On Gay marriage, 2nd Timothy, Chapter 3: 2 thru 6, will do it.
So I guess you think we're in the "last days" now?
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